Power guild

Purpose:
This guild contains the medicine guild, the leaders guild, and the deputies guild.

The Deputies Guild:
Purpose:
To decide who the next deputies will be for the clan, as well as the next leader of the clan.

Members:
Leader: Oceanstorm
Deputy: Who wants it?
Members: Eaglestar, Icedragon

Projects:
Moonclan Leader
Sunclan Leader
Oceanclan Leader
Lavaclan Leader
Dawnclan Leader
Twilightclan Leader
Moonclan Deputies
Sunclan Deputies
Oceanclan Deputies
Lavaclan Deputies
Dawnclan Deputies
Twilightclan Deputies



The Medicine Guild:
is made up of all of the medicine cats and their apprentices of the clans. They talk about herbs, prophecies, omens, signs, and sickness and plan all of these things out.

Members:
Leader: Eaglestar
Deputy: Runatone
Members: Oceanstorm, Jaybird

Projects:
Clan Prophecies
Herbs, Diseases, Injuries
Medicine Cat Gatherings

I think there were...
Hollybell and Pansypaw?

Great job Star!

I play as Hollybell, Silvershadow, and Apricotpaw. Might have forgotten some O.o
I guess, if no one wants to, I can be the Deputy???

Anyway, our purpose(I copied this from the FAQ Guilds page thing):
This guild is made up of all of the medicine cats and their apprentices of the clans. They talk about herbs, prophecies, omens, signs, and sickness and plan all of these things out.

We should start working on sicknesses, since our clans will not be as affected by the coughs since it barely gets cold during the winter! Instead, I was thinking our bad sickness would be the fever in the summer, since it gets so hot. Also, we need a description and a name for the sickness in Sunclan.
Oh and we also need to list out all of the prophecies we have had so far. And make a prophecy for Moonclan's civil war. Do we have one a prophecy for Moonclan? I don't know

Finally, we should also perfect our herb, disease and injury info so it is more...up to date and current with the islands climate and stuff.

So lets get to work!

Oceanstorm wrote:Great job Star!

I play as Hollybell, Silvershadow, and Apricotpaw. Might have forgotten some O.o
I guess, if no one wants to, I can be the Deputy???

Anyway, our purpose(I copied this from the FAQ Guilds page thing):
This guild is made up of all of the medicine cats and their apprentices of the clans. They talk about herbs, prophecies, omens, signs, and sickness and plan all of these things out.

We should start working on sicknesses, since our clans will not be as affected by the coughs since it barely gets cold during the winter! Instead, I was thinking our bad sickness would be the fever in the summer, since it gets so hot. Also, we need a description and a name for the sickness in Sunclan.
Oh and we also need to list out all of the prophecies we have had so far. And make a prophecy for Moonclan's civil war. Do we have one a prophecy for Moonclan? I don't know

Finally, we should also perfect our herb, disease and injury info so it is more...up to date and current with the islands climate and stuff.

So lets get to work!

Runa asked to be deputy...but i'm pretty sure you two could work things out! also, i'm going through google pictures to find pics of the cats, especially the important ones (Fallenstar, Aquafur, ect.) I'm not sure what some plants look like, so i'll google that up.

ideas for moonclan prophecy...it should definetly be about the war. maybe lunarpaw gets a vision about the ring of fire ect? i don't know.

ideas for the summer fever--hot fever, heat fever, burn fever, green fever?

Oh! In that case, Runa can be deputy

Wait, why are googling picture of the cats and plants?

I am not sure if we made a prophecy or not for that one...I think Jay might know....

Descriptions? For fevers?

This was the sicknesses I made up on the info:

Fevers
Since it is hot where we live on the islands the major sickness to us is fever which comes in three forms. They are not connected. Redfever is the only one that can actually kill you. Bluefever means you can lose feeling in some of your body parts and is like paryalsis. Purplefever can make cats go crazy. The fevers are:

Bluefever-A fever that makes you tired and sleepy and makes simple activives like crossing the camp a big deal.

Redfever-A fever that makes you cough up blood and you get a sore throat as well.

Purplefever-A fever that makes you have illusions and visions and werid dreams as well as makes you throw up.

Deadly Falter
A new sickness that causes cats to stop. They can't move aound that much and can die from it. It is very contagious. The sickness must be either absorbed by chickweed or cats must exercise a lot.

Silver Poison
A poison that ravaged the clans during a period of time in the past. Cats would be fine and then dead. It hurt Lavaclan, Oceanclan and Sunclan a lot. Sandfrost of Sunclan discovered the cure and the cause. The cause was that the fish they were eating had been poisoned by some yucky black twoleg poison that made the fish sick and when eaten by cats, the cats deathly sick. After that she shared this news with the rest of the clans and began not eating fish for awhile. The fish are better now and the cure is to throw up the food.

We can keep them, get rid of them, or change them up and stuff....

Star, I like your picture! It reminds me of My Little Pony, but as a cat!

Oceanstorm wrote:Oh! In that case, Runa can be deputy

Wait, why are googling picture of the cats and plants?

I am not sure if we made a prophecy or not for that one...I think Jay might know....

Descriptions? For fevers?

This was the sicknesses I made up on the info:

Fevers
Since it is hot where we live on the islands the major sickness to us is fever which comes in three forms. They are not connected. Redfever is the only one that can actually kill you. Bluefever means you can lose feeling in some of your body parts and is like paryalsis. Purplefever can make cats go crazy. The fevers are:

Bluefever-A fever that makes you tired and sleepy and makes simple activives like crossing the camp a big deal.

Redfever-A fever that makes you cough up blood and you get a sore throat as well.

Purplefever-A fever that makes you have illusions and visions and werid dreams as well as makes you throw up.

Deadly Falter
A new sickness that causes cats to stop. They can't move aound that much and can die from it. It is very contagious. The sickness must be either absorbed by chickweed or cats must exercise a lot.

Silver Poison
A poison that ravaged the clans during a period of time in the past. Cats would be fine and then dead. It hurt Lavaclan, Oceanclan and Sunclan a lot. Sandfrost of Sunclan discovered the cure and the cause. The cause was that the fish they were eating had been poisoned by some yucky black twoleg poison that made the fish sick and when eaten by cats, the cats deathly sick. After that she shared this news with the rest of the clans and began not eating fish for awhile. The fish are better now and the cure is to throw up the food.

We can keep them, get rid of them, or change them up and stuff....

Star, I like your picture! It reminds me of My Little Pony, but as a cat!

Thanks, Ocean! And if you want to create your own, use this link. PurrPony is the cat.
http://jwebgen.com/generate

Check out this one that I made:
http://www.ponyisland.net/image.php?type=pet&size=180&nocache&breed=MountainPony&gender=Female&DNA=99FFCC|CCFFFF|FFCC99|996600|99CCCC|660033|TC|FF|RR|SC|++|++|++|++&jwg&jwg-gen[/IMG]

LOL!

What do you think of my sicknesses? Are they good?

And what are the descriptions for your sicknesses?

Moderator Test-COMING SOON!

Prophecy!
In Sunclan- Jaywing's prophecy: A dark river has washed the sun out of the sky. A glowing eye of fire has replaced it.

Wait, LavaClan is saving SunClan, correct? So may I add some?
A sea of burning red comes and burns the eye until it is no more. It washes the stream away, and only then, will the sun be in the sky again.

........ Ugh, I messed that one up.

Also, no prophecies for MoonClan yet, but may I suggest one? About the civil war?
The moon is falling from the sky, treacherous waters swirl underneath.
What was one has split into two, half of it forever reaching,
for the moon.
As chaos erupts all around, day and night is forever split,
the water underneath is forever watching, waiting, waiting for the flame of victory to be lit.
As the moon fights with itself, a circle of light will descend into the darkness,
and for the final time, moon and sun meet to end the endless.
Day is forever gone, night prevails,
though the moon has fallen with the water.

A fail attempt at rhyming.. lD I'm not trying that ever again.

May I be deputy?
/shot
Whoops, Runa is already deputy.

For my med cats, I have Waterpaw, Morningfire, Whitewinged, and Echosong.

Also, Star, may I suggest that you don't quote? It takes a bit of time to scroll down to your post, and we know who you're talking too. :3 Thanks. (I'm so picky... ;A; sorry.)

Fevers:

Sand Burn
A fever that makes the cat that has it extremely cold, with no energy, while when you touch the cat, it's skin is burning hot. It refuses to eat or drink anything, and has hallucinations. After three days, the cat cannot walk, after 5, it cannot stand, after 7, usually the cat dies. No one knows the cause, and it is deadly if caught. It is not contagious. Only 1% of the cats who catch this fever survives, though this fever is very rare. There is no set remedy for this fever, though you can try putting them either in the shade or in a pool of water. They have to stay there until they're recovered, though the shade isn't as effective as the water and the water may give them other sicknesses.

Aand... I run out of ideas. xDDD

Also Ocean, what does Moderator Test mean? PMing you..

The Dark River washes the Sun away. The Eye of Fire replaces it, but will be no more when the Burning Sea arrives. It will wash the stream away, and only then will the Sun return to the sky.

The Moon falls from the sky into the treacherous Water beneath. What was once one is split in two, one half reaching for the Moon. Chaos erupts all around and day and night are forever split. And the Water watches for the flame of victory to be lit.
The Moon fights against itself and the circle of light will descend from the darkness, and for a final time Moon and Sun meet to end the endless. Day is forgotten, Night prevails, but the Moon has fallen into the Water.

I changed the wording up a bit and made the shorter. I hope that is okay with you, Jay. Which one do you guys think is better?
Also I am pretty sure we had a previous prophecy for Moon, so I will try to find that.

Great prophecies, though, Jay! You are sure to be a great member of the Medicine Cats Guild!

Sand Burn is a great fever! Any other ideas, guys?

Moderator Test! Since Star wanted to be a moderator, and maybe even Willow as well, I made (or am thinking to make) a Moderator Test!
It will be a test you guys will have to take to become moderators. There will be one for Member, Moderator, Global Moderator, and then Administrator!
Of course, the tests will get harder as they go along. The first one is the easiest: Just post! 1 post and your a member!
I am not sure about the second test, I will need to brainstorm on that one...

Jay and Ocean, they're great! I'll post the shorter one. Ocean's right? Well, keep on thinking! How about the moderator test (the next one) is...200 posts? Maybe 300? But they all have to serve a purpose. Like, you can't just post: hihihihihihi. It has to make sense and everything. And if you post something like that, you have to start from 0? I don't know. Just an idea. Or you have to post a certain number of cats? (Id hav passed that with just the star and spirit one!). Also, you're probably right about the other clan cats. I think moonclan is the most interesting! Also, I thought that you could only hav one cat at first, so I just stuck with moonclan because my first cat was in there. I'll try!

Thanks, you guys.

Yes, I like your version way better, Ocean. Nice and simple.

Okay, the prophecy of OceanClan?
You know, the elemental kits... Tiger made that one, so I dunno what her plans are for them.
All I can remember is that Starpaw will become leader -> Star. But you might want to change that because she's gone now?

Also, will you make the topics for Dark and Spirit now?

I know this is the wrong place to ask this but...
I can't remember if I ever asked you, but Ocean, may I become the leader of Time and Nature (again)?

A suggestion for the test:
(I know I posted it in MoonClan but I wanted to post it again here because I think Ocean didn't see)
In many websites, a step down from Moderators are MiTs. Moderators in Trainers. They are, (duh) moderators in training.
Maybe we should do that here.
Also, we need some more members because if we're all moderators, were are the members?
And, I think, that members must be registered here for over a year before becoming moderators because that's what happened to us. It was a bit of a surprise really, we logged on and boom, everything changed. :'3
Also, no offense at all intended, Star, but many members can post way over 300 and we can't make everyone who wants to be a moderator a moderator, so maybe there shouldn't be a post thingy. Like members become moderators when the admins feel like they can be trusted and knows what's happening and stuff.

Sorry if I sound like a... *fumbles for words* a self conceited, blunt, annoying person? Does that make sense?

Just a suggestion, shouldn't we make a chart or something keeping tracks of how many life does the leaders have?

Another one about the test. How about more than ___Topics in the audition? And playing them often? Hmm... since when did I became a moderator anyway?

Well...
We just kill off the leaders when time comes because they're not very important, just in the gatherings and such.

But, that would lead to an overflow of moderators and cats in AwesomeClan.. Let's move this discussion somewhere else.

I guess we could make moderators-in-training...I will need to talk it out with the rest of you guys to see what you guys think of it...

For the leader chart, I think another guild will take care of that. The Roleplay Librarain Guild...I think...

Thanks Jay! Thanks for also giving me such great ideas

I will make Dark and Spirit as soon as I can

I said sure, I think to you being the leader, Jay. Go ahead and make that Guild! Yeah!

For the Elemental prophecy...I don't know. Did we have one before? If so we should send someone to look for that prophecy...oh! And the previous Moonclan prophecy too! :O

Yep. I think I posted and idea in suggestions? Or a suggestion in ideas? /shot I don't know!

Thank you.

Great!

Thanks! I'll make it... Now...

I dun think it was made. I actually don't know about the old MoonClan prophecy, so please, don't ask me.

For the LavaClan prophecy idea:
It could be an omen, actually. Something that has never happened before has happened. (The kits getting snatched by a bird and carried away to a nest.) <- Cross that idea. Horrible one. Can't finish.

Um, how about, they get a vision.
They see an eye of fire burning up the sea, a dark stream washing it away until almost nothing is left. And then a river of lava comes and saves everything. Just a rough idea. I have the same ideas...

Well for the Elemental kits, what are they going to do?
I don't think we had anything planned at all for them. At all!

So we need an idea for what they are going to do.

Also we need to make fever descriptions. Any more ideas? If not then the fevers with descriptions shall be used. Or maybe approved?

I don't know...

I don't know! AHHH! Tiger was the one who made them! ASK HER!

-calms down- There I go again.

Fevers... This is harder then you thought.

Freeze Burn
The cat feel like they are dying of cold while they are unnaturally hot. They must be kept in the shade even though they insist on going into the sunshine. The only herb that can cure this sickness is crushed up feverfew petals mixed with crushed up borage leaf, there cannot be any juice left in the leaf, and cat mint steam.

... Is that okay?

Sure. What about your fevers, Star? Can we have their descriptions?

Why don't we make up what they do?
I was thinking that maybe they can be like the Three, but toned down. Like they don't have super powers, but they have like....talents. Or skills.
Like for example: Seakit can sense when bad things are going to happen, Starkit can unravel prophecies very easily, Terrakit has an amazing memory where she can remember everything, Flamekit (Was that his name? I can never remember him!) has better hearing and eyesight than other cats, and maybe Windkit can run faster than other cats.

Just some general ideas. And maybe they can be apart of one of the prophecies that we make. Like an ultimate prophecy! That can't be solved so easily...hehehe.

Oh, I have an idea!
Wait. Shouldn't this go in the Storyline? Oh well, maybe we can decide on something first, then go to the Storyline guild.
So, my idea. Kinda similar to yours, like they are like the Power of Three, but they're abilities aren't as... Good as there's. Maybe there abilities have something to do with their names? Yeah, the ultimate prophecy would be awesome. Actually, can we have DarkClan invade while we're at it? Also, it's Emberkit.

...Yes, that was my idea.

Ok! Cool idea.
Emberkit..........oh....

Any ideas on their powers?
Also, since I am in the Storyline Guild I will try and incorprate the idea into our plot. Maybe they will be the 5 cats that will save the clans from Rainclan!

Purpose:
To decide who the next deputies will be for the clan, as well as the next leader of the clan.

Members:
Leader: Oceanstorm
Deputy: Who wants it?
Members: Eaglestar, Icedragon

Projects:
Moonclan Leader
Sunclan Leader
Oceanclan Leader
Lavaclan Leader
Dawnclan Leader
Twilightclan Leader
Moonclan Deputies
Sunclan Deputies
Oceanclan Deputies
Lavaclan Deputies
Dawnclan Deputies
Twilightclan Deputies

Ok lets get to work! We need to decide who the next deputies will be for the clans as well as the next leaders!

So any ideas? Lets start with...Moonclan since the civil war and everything.
Who should become the next leader?
Harvestmoon and Aquafur are the deputies, but both will be dieing in the civil war. I believe we planned to have Lightpath be the next leader, but that was when Flame was still here....
So any new ideas?

Maybe!
So let's say Windkit can run really fast. As fast as the wind. And he is not afraid of the wind?
Seakit can jump pretty high like the waves. And he knows stuff about the sea.
Emberkit... Is not afraid of the cold. At all. And he can see as clear at night as if it is day.
Terrakit knows the earth. She knows exactly where the rocks are, the trees, the holes, and stuff.
Starkit is the leader of them. She can interpret prophecies more accurately then medicine cats and... Um, I dunno.
Just some ideas.

The moment I saw Seakit's name, I was like "Seakit can surf!?" Ok, that was crazy.
Maybe Terrakit have sharp and hard claws like stones or something?

Yep!
And, Starkit can almost tell the future. Almost.

LOL. Imagine Seapaw surfing. Can you do that?

Stepping on a peeled tree skin? LOL.

Starkit's kinda like a medicine cat... Is he good at hunting or fighting?

I can surf!

Here are some ideas:
Running as fast as the wind X
Better senses X
Great memory X
Good jumper
Good night vision
Knows where everything is
Great at unravelling prophecies X
Knows when bad things are going to happen X

I like the ones with the X's. Maybe we should take a vote or something?

Really? Isn't it hard?

Hmm... For Seakit, how about great balance? And fast. Like twisting around in midair during fighting?

Isn't that Windkit? Fast, agile?

For Seakit... He can swim really fast? Also, he is very, very graceful, like water. He can twist and bend his body in a weird way?

And, Starkit is a she. :3

Umm, should i join? I have a medicine cat but she's not playing yet, her name is Dovepaw, Forestclan. Wow, you guys really talk a lot!

Why are you talking about the kits here? Unless one of them is medicine cat, can you guys talk about it somewhere else? Sorry, bur you're taking up a lot of space! No offense. Willow, sure, join!

They're talking about the kits because....something to do with mysterious powers? I dunno

Because they're part of a prophecy.
The Medicine Cat Guild covers prophecies. We're trying to figure out what to do with them.
Also, Willow, you probably should start playing Dovepaw now! Like, make her join the clan, and become medicine cat apprentice, because Pansypaw is going to have his naming ceremony very, very soon.
Sorry if I sound impatient.

Okay should she do what Willow did and like walk in and faint?

Yep! And I'm going to rush Pansypaw's medicine cat ceremony so he receives a sign from SpiritClan and when he comes back, he announces that Dovepaw will be medicine cat apprentice!
Is that okay?
And the sign will be made off the top of my head so it may be a bit weird ish.

Prophecies...I don't know.
Sicknesses:
Side Effect of Deathberry
This happens approximatly one moon after a cat has swallowed a deathberry and still has some in their stomach. The cat has an urge to eat every single poisonous plant. The only solution to this side effect is a deathberry, nightshade, yarrow, and (insert really rare herb here) poultice that should be given approx. one sunrise from when the side effect happens. If not given, the cat will go crazy and die in one moon or will eat too many poisonous plants and die.
I don't really know...that was just a random one. What do you think, Ocean?

Okay, Dovepaw is now in(?) the tsunami camp!

like the deathberry side effect, but wouldnt the cure kill them anyway?

No because of the yarrow. The death berries in the concoction are used so because the old death berries are stuck in their stomach. The rare herb in the mix will make it hard to cure the side effect. Ocean, what do you think?

But wouldn't the Deathberry kill them?
And Star I am waiting for you to explain those fevers you made!!!


But, it is a pretty awesome idea for a sickness.
We also need to make a solid description for the plague in Sunclan, as well.

As soon as all of the fevers are done, then we can unleash them upon the cats of Lava and Ocean

Umm, any ideas?

Apparently I'm part of this guild. One question: Why are we doing the leaders too? But anyway, leader of MoonClan. It obviously has to be a cat on Fallenstar's side, right, so I list some that seem to be good candidates based on personality:
Pebblecreek
Sunheart
Goldenheart
Redpit
Whiteblaze
Runatone
I would say Russetfur, but it says he's played by Tiger, so maybe if Nova takes him?
Those are my ideas....and if Lightpath is taken by someone else he can still become leader.

Deathberry: THATS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TELL STAR!!!!

Umm Sunclan plague.......no ideas tbh

poor Lava and Ocean-clan... JK

Maybe after they use yarrow or something to get them out, but a teeny weeny bit was left in their stomach which would work later because it is very small?

Nightshade is also poisonous...
Just wanted to point that out.
Or was it nightlock? No nightshade...
What;s the other poisonous herb called? Water hemlock?

The poisons are: Nightshade, Hemlock, Foxglove Seeds, Deathberries/Yew berries, & Holly berries.
Right?

Also, we need to work on the Dawnclan & Twilightclan prophecy! Any ideas? Jay? Lol!

Any more fever/sickness ideas? And where is Star?!

Dawn/Twilight prophecy: given to Pansyshine?
The Forest is just surviving, dawn and twilight are life giving,
you must go back to where you came, or dwindle to never be seen again.

Something like that OMG IT RHYMED!

What? Why me? *shrinks back*
I dun even know the plot, so this prophecy might stink. Sorry.

Here we go:

Dawn light gives the forest a new light,
Twilight gives all a new future sight.

The balance must be equal, forgotten is remembered,
two becomes one, yet all are loyal members.

Disappearing light and loud blaze must travel to find,
more willing to become their kind.

The balance must be equal, forgotten is remembered,
two becomes one, yet all are loyal members.

The secret of light and darkness finally unraveled,
no more will they have to travel.

The balance must be equal, forgotten is remembered,
two becomes one, yet all are loyal members.


Is that okay?
Actually, no it isn't.
Willow, we should just use your epicly awesome prophecy.

I love your prophecy Jay! We could use yours, but it wouldn't repeat so much.
I also like yours Willow, but Jays has a bit more of prophecy details, like the cats & the leader part.

Oh! Maybe you could add that stuff Willow and then we could vote to see which prophecy we like best.
If you guys want to, that is.

Really?
Hmm...
-is skeptical-
It's not very good...

Runa, WHERE ARE YOU? You are the deputy of this guild, and the deputy stands in for the leader when the leader is gone, which is right now!

Sorry for that outburst. :'3

I was trying to copy one of my favorite prophecy from an awesome book, also written by Suzanne Collins.
There was a repeating stanza, that went like:
Turn and you turn and you turn again,
you see the what but not the when.
Remedy and wrong entwine,
and so they form a single wine.

omg, I managed to memorize it! Hooray!

I somewhat failed in the repeating though. I suppose we could take out all of the repitition?

Do you mean the Gregor the Overlander books? Are they good? My friend reads them so I am wondering if I should read them...

Anyway, how about this?
The Forest is just surviving,
Dawn & Twilight are life giving,
you must go back to where you came,
or dwindle to never be seen again.
Dissappearing Light & Loud Blaze must travel to find,
more willing to become their kind.
The secret of Light & Darkness finally unraveled,
no more will they have to travel.
The balance must be equal,
forgotten is remembered,
two becomes one,
yet all are loyal members!

Pretty good huh? Lol! I combined both of them and changed a few words. I think.

Anyway, lets finish up the fevers! This is what we have so far:

Bluefever-A fever that makes you tired and sleepy and makes simple activives like crossing the camp a big deal.
Redfever-A fever that makes you cough up blood and you get a sore throat as well.
Purplefever-A fever that makes you have illusions, visions, and weird dreams as well as makes up throw up.

Sand Burn-A fever that makes the cat that has it extremely cold, with no energy, while when you touch the cat, it's skin is burning hot. It refuses to eat or drink anything, and has hallucinations. After three days, the cat cannot walk, after 5, it cannot stand, after 7, usually the cat dies. No one knows the cause, and it is deadly if caught. It is not contagious. Only 1% of the cats who catch this fever survives, though this fever is very rare. There is no set remedy for this fever, though you can try putting them either in the shade or in a pool of water. They have to stay there until they're recovered, though the shade isn't as effective as the water and the water may give them other sicknesses.

Freeze Burn-The cat feel like they are dying of cold while they are unnaturally hot. They must be kept in the shade even though they insist on going into the sunshine. The only herb that can cure this sickness is crushed up feverfew petals mixed with crushed up borage leaf, there cannot be any juice left in the leaf, and cat mint steam.

I was thinking, that we should use colors for all of the different fever types. But not green, white or black. Since those colors were already used in Warriors. How about red, blue, purple, silver, gold? And like it could go in that order, as well?
Red to Blue to Purple to Silver to Gold fevers.

And for the Elemental Kits how about this?
Windkit-Fast Runner EX. Fast as the wind!
Seakit-Knows when bad things are going to happen EX. Since Ocean & the tsunami!
Emberkit-Great memory EX. The firey power of the mind!
Terrakit-Has better senses EX. Senses are of the earth!
Starkit-Has visions of the future EX. Stars are linked with the future!

Thats how I think it should be